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For anyone involved in the debates between Calvinism and
non-Calvinism, a rising trend that most have observed is the accusation that
Calvinism can or should be considered a kind of neo or semi-Gnosticism. This
largely comes from one group of anti-Calvinists known as SBC “Traditionalists,”
also called Provisionists. They are headed up by Leighton Flowers at the
anti-Calvinist group Soteriology101.
This accusation was largely born out of their frustration at
being called semi-Pelagians. Flowers and company have often called this a “boogyman”
term used to poison the well against their position. So Flowers, either by
invention or plagiarism (it wouldn’t be his first time), started saying that it
would be like if they started calling Calvinists “semi-Pelagians” in order to
poison the well against the Calvinists with a term that is almost entirely
historically negative in orthodox theological circles.
As far as I can tell, Flowers thankfully doesn’t make the
argument that Calvinists actually ARE gnostics in any meaningful sense but is
just saying that the tone of the term would be LIKE that. However, this hasn’t stopped
his adoring fans from taking the argument there. So how does the argument work,
is it valid and is there any precedent to it?
Provisionism and Semi-Pelagianism
Well before we get to that, let me first show that the accusation
that Provisionists ARE semi-Pelagians is NOT the same kind of claim. So let’s
really quickly walk through that issue.
First, the accusation that Provisionism just is
re-packaged Semi-Pelagianism is either true or false. I think it is true, and
people like Flowers, I assume, think it is false. But then they should argue
that. We have well-defined terms for sets of doctrines throughout history.
Pelagianism, Semi-Pelagianism, Augustinianism, Calvinism, Gnosticism are all
such terms. Whatever evaluative connotations that the terms carry is irrelevant
to whether or not a position falls either narrowly or broadly under the set of
doctrines that these terms historically describe. Tantruming about it being a
boogyman doesn’t do anything but show that you do not like being associated
with the term. But if it walks like semi-Pelagianism, looks like a semi-Pelagianism,
has the dogma of semi-Pelagianism… well if the shoe fits…
Which leads to my second point. I have frequently asked Provisionists to describe to me the substantive differences between their
view and Semi-Pelagianism. I know tons of others who have asked the same thing.
And the only answer we ever get…. Crickets. That’s it. We will be insulted and
ridiculed and Provisionists will rage quit, or they will start calling us
semi-Gnostics, which I’ll address shortly…. But they never can give any real
substantive theological difference… I usually try to disambiguate concepts as
best I can – even ones that I think are false or foolish or dangerous. I have
no reason to consider Provisionism to be nearly identical, if not identical,
to semi-Pelagianism unless it is. If it’s not semi-Pelagian, then great. I
still would think it false, it just wouldn’t fall into that category. That is,
I don’t really have a polemical reason or motivation to include them under the
umbrella of semi-Pelagianism to make my case that their view is downright
false. That is, nothing is really gained EXCEPT for lexical accuracy by
considering them under that umbrella. So if they can demonstrate how they are
not under that umbrella, great. They should do so. But they need to do so by
showing the doctrinal differences between their theology and semi-Pelagianism.
And so far… to my knowledge and in my interactions, that has not even remotely
happened.
So what is semi-Pelagianism? Well I’m not going to go into
much of the history – you can read pretty much any historical theology and get
that. But in basic terms, following the nearly universal condemnation of Pelagianism
in the 4th century, a small group tried to make some mediating steps
from Pelagianism toward a more orthodox position. In the 5th and 6th
century the movement affirmed, roughly, the following positions:
1.
Sin had corrupted nature and man’s environment
and was a pervasive influence to evil but did not make the natural constitution
of man unable to freely choose God without direct divine intervention (Contra
Augustinianism – and later Arminianism).
2.
Without God’s grace this corruptive force could
not be overcome by man alone (contra Pelagianism). [1
and 2 should not be confused with affirming Original Sin. They did not think it
was impossible or that man was unable to choose God, but rather that the
influence of external powers would be too powerful for us to not succumb to
them. And so we get to #3.]
3.
The innate corruptive force over man was not so
great that the beginning of faith (initium fidei) was beyond the powers of
man’s native will.
4.
The increase of faith (augmentum fidei) after
conversion, is dependent upon God.
5.
The justified man may of his own strength
persevere to the end.
6.
The justified man may of his own sake forsake
his gift of salvation and be lost.
7.
Both God and the human person always participate
in the salvation process – salvation is synergistic but not meritorious.
8.
Humans, all humans, before and after conversion,
make libertarianly free will choices.
9.
God aides the human will through creation,
natural grace, "supernatural" grace, the gospel proclamation and
restrictions on demonic invasion.
10.
God responds in grace to the human’s choice to
exhibit faith in him.
Now, that is a rough outline of semi-Pelagianism. Unlike
Pelagianism which easily affirmed the possibility of sinless perfection, the
semi-Pelagian is uncomfortable with that prospect, however they want to persevere
the natural ability of man to repent and choose God by their own libertarian
freedom. And so they too, like the Pelagian, must deny original sin and total
depravity. And yet they do not want sinless perfection to be in view so they
say that our natural will, instead of being free from the power of sin like the
Pelagian, or dead to God because of sin like the Augustinian, they say it is
sick in sin and while it could always
choose the good, it wont because of the external powerful influence of a sin
sick creation and relations to other sinful people. But denying original sin,
has it’s logical consequences. Unlike Arminians who really are
semi-Augustinians who affirm original sin and total depravity, and insert
Prevenient Grace as a special act of God to enable the will of man at
conversion, Semi-Pelagians need no such gracious assistance to enable the will.
Sure they say God needs to bring us to the water, but they still say, we freely
and autonomously choose to drink.
So the question is, how much of the above set of doctrines
does one need to affirm to be broadly under the umbrella of semi-Pelagianism.
Unless Calvinism where the 5 points are logically entailed by the others and
only work as a full system, this is not the case for semi-Pelagianism. So it
becomes far more like the problem of a heap – when is a pile of mables a heap…
how many can you take away before it stops being a heap?
So how many of these does the Provisionist need to affirm
to be semi-Pelagians? Well I think the ones that are distinctive to semi-Pelagianism are the denial of original sin, the
denial of a kind of total depravity where the will is dead to God in sin and in
dead of a special act of God (whether prevenient grace on Arminianism or
regeneration on Calvinism) before it can act in faith, and yet that sinless
perfection, while possible will never happen because of the external influence
of sin in our environment and relationships is the core of semi-Pelagianism as
opposed to full-Pelagianism or semi- and full Augustinianism.
Anyone familiar with Provisionism will know that the
official statements affirm each of these. In fact they affirm nearly every
single one of the 10 doctrinal stances I listed above – with the exception that
someone, once justified, can lose/give up their salvation. And even that, if we
are being honest, while the official Provisionist statement denies, I rarely
meet a Provisionist who doesn’t think that a believer can give up their
salvation.
Now, if the Provisionist can show some substantive
doctrinal differences between the official Provisionist doctrinal system and
historic semi-Pelagianism, I will be
more than happy to stop including them in that group. But as of right now… I’m
at a loss for how they are not doctrinally included in that group. They may not
like the label – great, then argue that semi-Pelagianism shouldn’t be
considered heresy anymore. But simply saying that you aren’t semi-Pelagian just
because you don’t like the evaluative connotation of the term… sorry. That just
does not hold water.
Now, the typical response I get to this then, is “well you
Calvinists are semi-Gnostics then!” So let’s turn and explore if this tu quoque
argument is a good and reasonable response.
Calvinism and
semi-Gnosticism
Let’s start by first briefly stating what Gnosticism was
around the time of the early church. Gnosticism was a system of pagan religious
beliefs concerning the cosmos being ruled by a lesser deity (called the
demiurge) and that matter qua matter was evil and to be escaped while spirit
was true reality. There was a hard dualism between matter and spirit such that
all matter was bad and needed to be escaped. Because of this hard dualism, the
gnostics believed that the spirit (not to be confused with the person of the
Holy Spirit but rather something like “the spiritual nature of reality”) was
accessed via secret cultic rituals only by an elite class of worthy acolytes. And
this then gained them secret and elevated knowledge (gnosis) by which they
could be progressively set free from the material world.
On this system, the great/supreme god is entirely unknowable
and birthed the powers that rule the cosmos (called the aeons), as well as the
creator god who also birthed the demiurge – So you have the great god, birthing
the creator god, who birthed the demiurge who ruled the cosmos. Gnosticism has
no concept of sin, only ignorance, and to achieve salvation you need to have
secret knowledge mentioned above.
When this Gnosticism started to infect the church, it
somewhat moved away from the pagan mystery cults and took on a “Christian”
flavor (although nothing about it was genuinely Christian). So because of their
hard dualism with regard to matter and spirit, they believed that the demiurge,
who birthed the Son Jesus, sent Jesus to only appear to be human. But since matter is innately evil, they denied
a true bodily incarnation – which means no actual crucifixion, no death. This
was the error of the Docetics who John appeared to be writing against in his 1st
and 2nd epistles. They also held onto the idea that salvation was
not done by the shed blood of Christ (since he didn’t have real blood to be
shed) but was done still by gaining secret knowledge meant only for the
super-spiritual – the elites, the ones inaugurated into the truth and it was
simply the gaining of this knowledge that saved someone.
Now, even if you do not agree with Calvinism, does any of that sound like Calvinism? No, of
course not. There is literally zero doctrinal overlap between Calvinism and any
form of Gnosticism, and the implications of gnosticism (such as the denial of
the trinity, God as Creator, and the humanity of Christ, salvation from sin by
the death of Christ on the cross, etc.) make it utterly anathema to Calvinists.
We Calvinists dont think flesh is evil. We think the flesh is currently subject
to the wages of sin. We are not anti-materialists. In fact, we look forward to
the resurrection of our bodies! Gnostics believed that matter, all matter, was
evil and to be escaped and ultimately done away with.
So
"gnosticism" is not an accurate historical theological term for the
position.
In fact, something like Scientology is actually VERY
gnostic. But there is literally zero doctrinal overlap between Calvinism and
Gnosticism, beyond some super vague dishonestly worded phrases that would make
ALL orthodox Christianity "gnostic” such as that our flesh is wicked and
the spirit is good but that isn’t because of the nature of matter and spirit,
but of the moral impacts of sin and righteousness! There is a dualism in
Christianity between sin and righteousness but if that dualism makes Calvinism
in the same dualist boat as Gnosticism, then so are the Biblical authors. So
that cannot be it.
So now that we see that the label is simply inaccurate and
false as a description of Calvinism, let us now ask where does this claim from
the Provisionist come from? Well the best I can tell, it comes from two faulty
considerations:
1.
Calvinism is a kind of Augustinianism. There is
a notion in scholarship that Augustine was influenced by his prior life in a
gnostic sect known as Manichaeism. And so therefore, Calvinism is influenced by
Manichaeism.
2.
Calvinism affirms that Christians are the elect
of God, chosen entirely by God in eternity past. And that who the elect are is
simply not revealed to us. So it is rooted in the secret will of God. This is
knowledge that known only to God. So secret knowledge… Gnosticism.
So what do we make of these two assumptions?
First, the idea that Calvinism is influenced by the
gnosticisim of Manichaeism because Augustine was supposedly influenced by it
commits what is known as the genetic fallacy. How Augustine did or did not come
to his beliefs about the teaching of the Scriptures is simply not a valid argument against if his
understanding of the Scriptures is true or not. The genetic fallacy seeks to
deny a claim by attacking the means or the conditions under which someone came
to hold that the belief is true. This is simply a fallacious way to argue.
Second, it also commits a guilt by association fallacy. Even
IF the genetic fallacy didn’t exist, most Calvininsts are Calvinists because we
think it is the best systematic and exegetical understanding of the Scripture.
I know very few Calvinists who have read Augustine, let alone got their
understanding of the Bible from him. I actually cant think of a single one. What
happens is that typically we come to be convinced of the system by reading the
Bible, we start finding other people who have held similar views and come to
find out, “oh… there is a name for this – Calvinism.” And then the further we
study, “Oh... this view long pre-dated the Reformation in Augustinianism.” And
that’s about it. So even IF it were a good argument that Augustine only held
his view because of his prior life in Manichaeism (which is clearly fallacious)
it still would be fallacious to use that as an argument against Calvinists
today.
Third, was Augustine actually
that influenced by his Manichaeism? I’m not going to go into that here, but I
think the answer is clearly no, at least not in the sense that he affirmed
beliefs because they were in line
with Manichaeism. His prior life in Gnosticism clearly influenced what kind of
issues he found important and how he understand the pagans around him – I mean
my prior life in Atheism influences how I understand skepticism, naturalism,
and atheism and what issues I choose to address and how I phrase things to
atheists, and so forth. But it’s not that I have an “atheistic hangover” that
causes me to affirm unbiblical things. Typically the kinds of things that
people will point to in order to try an demonstrate that Augustine was still
influenced by Manichaeism, is his “dualism” between the flesh and the spirit,
the wretchedness of the natural man vs the righteousness of the spirit. The
problem is that this just is a Biblical view. It is not that the flesh is evil because it is material, but rather it is
that it is evil because it is fallen and corrupted by sin. Paul makes these
exact points at numerous points in his epistles (namely Romans culminating in
Romans 7). Christians the world over who aren’t
Augustinian, Reformed, or Calvinistic also affirm that this just is what the Bible teaches.
So this, like most of the other reasons given for this kind
of argument about Augustine, makes an equivocation fallacy by assuming that the
dualism in Manichaeism just is the
dualism in Augustinianism, and/or it makes another genetic fallacy that this is
why Augustine believes it. It couldn’t possibly be because… well… that’s just
what the bible teaches…
Ok so that was enough to show that the first assumption made
to try and push this semi-Gnostic label on Calvinism is false. What about the
second one? Is Calvinism built on a secret knowledge – a gnosis? No of course
not. At least not in any meaningfully significant way.
Remember, on any version of Gnosticism, it was the gaining
of the gnosis by the human observant which brought them into the spirit, to
escape the material and be saved. And it was secret to the world – it was only
for the super spiritual. So it was a personal secret knowledge of the acolyte
that saved them.
On Calvinism, the only secret knowledge is God’s own
knowledge of his decree of election. On literally any view of election, this is true. Flowers’ own view of corporate
election would have this – unless Flowers thinks that God has revealed to him
who would believe and fill the body? Does he think God has revealed to him who
will and will not believe in the world God has chosen to actualize? Of course
not! So… is he a semi-Gnostic? No. That would be silly.
On Calvinism, nothing about the gospel, preaching the word,
or anything is secret. It is to be preached freely to all – we just don’t know
who the elect are and who will eventually come to salvation. But that secret
knowledge of God is not what saves us! That isn’t some secret knowledge given
only to the spiritual elite, whereby knowing it, saves the believer.
On Calvinism, the gospel of Christ is public and given to
all and we are saved by the finished work of Christ on the cross and given new
life by his resurrection – his material, bodily resurrection from the dead
which gives us the hope in a future material, bodily resurrection! Absolutely
nothing about this is Gnosticism in any form.
**UPDATE 3/27, 11:18am**
It was brought to my attention that in the first draft of
this article, I did not address the claim that Calvinism may be Gnostic because
it is deterministic. That is, that it was the determinism that Augustine had
borrowed from the Manicheans. I honestly had not forgot this, but think this is
even more absurd a claim. I was
trying to give the stronger of the
possible ways that the argument could be made via what could be more complex
epistemological considerations about beliefs. However, since several people
asked about the determinism claim, let me briefly respond to that issue.
Notice that this would still commit the three problems above
(the guilt by association fallacy, the genetic fallacy and the inability to
show that Augustine believed it because
of Manicheism rather than from scriptural considerations). So the argument does
not even get off the ground. Remember, not only is it entirely irrelevant about
why Augustine came to believe what he did about what the Bible teaches (genetic
fallacy), and unless the Provisionist is able to raise the dead and question
Augustine about what led to his belief in determinism (or be able to show some
statement where he attributes his belief to his prior gnostic worldview despite
repeatedly denouncing and refuting it), but also no Calvinist ever says that
they believe it because of Augustine.
We believe it because we think that it is what Scripture teaches and when we
look through history, Augustine is one the people that we find who robustly
makes the case for the same position.
Now, the Provisionist may then say that motivations are
irrelevant to their argument because, like the issue with semi-Pelagianism, it
is whether we agree with doctrines of the system to be included under that
umbrella. And so they claim that Gnostics affirmed determinism and Calvinism
affirms determinism and so they are under the same umbrella in such a way that
it is accurate to call Calvinism “semi-Gnostic.” Fair enough, but is that
accurate?
Not really for several reasons.
First, it would remove all of the talk of Augustine and the
Manicheans from consideration. But that is a main pillar of the Provisionist claim. Without that, it is hard to sustain the rest of the case for their
argument.
Second, the issue is what are substantive or distinctive
doctrines that two systems overlap. So we would not say that Calvinism is
Pelagian because they both affirm Theism, the Resurrection, and the Pauline
authorship of the book of Romans for example. We could multiply a whole host of
beliefs that countless views have in common – but they are not the uniquely defining doctrines of the
systems. They are trivial parallels that countless views have in common.
Determinism seems to be just such a doctrine. Without writing a whole new
article here and making this post unnecessarily long, I am simply not convinced
by the claims that the early church only and exclusively affirmed Libertarian
notions of freedom and denied predestination and determinism. I find when
reading the arguments for this view that they very much beg the question of
what is being said like they do with the Biblical text. The argument often
goes:
1.
Some early church father (ECF)/Bible passage
says to make a choice or perform a command.
2.
I believe that choice and meaningful commands
are only possible on an Incompatiblist/Libertarian concept of freedom.
Therefore,
3.
Some ECF/Bible passage teaches
Incompatiblistic/Libertarian freedom.
Premise 2 simply begs the question of position that the
person is trying to garner support for. As a Compatiblist, I have absolutely no
problem understanding choice/command passages in either Scripture or the ECFs
in the same way that as a Compatiblist, I make
choise/command statements to my children, wife, friends, at work, etc. What
happens then, is that because the position being argued for has been assumed,
whatever text in front of us becomes a wax nose to whatever the reader wants it
to be. For the record, I find that this happens when many different positions
go to the ECFs to support their view. This is because often, the ECFs don’t well
define or hash out their views but simply parrot the Biblical language
verbatim. And so the reader is looking to support their view about what the
Bible teaches from the ECFs, finds them saying the thing that they have already
interpreted in the Scripture to support their position, and then comes away
feeling like the ECFs support their views.
Now, continuing on, not only do I think that determinism can
be clearly adduced from the Scriptures and so I do not need to go to the ECFs,
I think we have at least plausible counter evidence from the ECFs affirming a
kind of Augustinian notion of determinism/predestination. We can see statements
such as:
·
Clement of Rome (69 CE):
o
“When he wills, and as he wills, he does all
things; none of those things which are decreed by him, shall pass away,”
(Epist. ad Corinth. 1:p. 64.)
o
“All therefore are glorified and magnified, not
by themselves or their own works of righteous actions, which they have wrought
out, but by his will,” (Clement, Ep. 1, ad. Corinth. p. 72.).
o
“Whereas it is the will of God, that all whom he
loves should partake of repentance, and so not perish with the unbelieving and
impenitent, he has established it by his almighty will.’ But if any of those
whom God wills should partake of the grace of repentance, should afterwards
perish, where is his almighty will? And how is this matter settled and
established by such a will of his?” (Ep. 1, ad Cor. p. 20).
·
Ignatius (110 CE)
o
Ignatius speaks of two sorts of persons,
signified by, “two pieces of money; the one belongs to God, and the other to
the world; which have each their own characters upon them, and every one shall
go to his own place,” (Ignat. Epist. p. 32).
o
In predestination, “…there was such a difference
between the infidels and the elect,” (Apud. ib. 50:4, c. 15, p. 134.)
o
“They that are carnal,” says he, “cannot do the
things that are spiritual, nor they that are spiritual do the things that are
carnal, as neither faith the things of unbelief, nor unbelief the things of
faith,” (Ep. ad Ephesians p. 22.).
·
Justin Martyr (150 CE)
o
“The great things, which the Father hath in his
counsel appointed for all men,” that are or shall be well-pleasing to him, and
likewise those that depart from his will, whether angels or men, he only (Christ)
hath most clearly taught, Matthew 8:11, 12, and 7:22, 23; and in other words,
when he will condemn the unworthy that shall not be saved, he will say to them,
“Go ye into outer darkness, which the Father hath prepared for Satan and his
angels,” (Dialog. cum. Tryph. p. 301.)
o
“Mankind by Adam fell under death, and the
deception of the serpent; that ‘we are born sinners;’ and that we are entirely
flesh, and no good thing dwells in us; he asserts the weakness and disability
of men either to understand or perform spiritual things, AND DENIES THAT MAN,
BY THE NATURAL SHARPNESS OF HIS WIT, CAN ATTAIN TO THE KNOWLEDGE OF DIVINE
THINGS, or by any innate power in him save himself, and procure eternal life,”
(Epist. ad Zenam, p. 506.).
o
“Jesus died for men of every kind, not all men.
“As Jacob served Laban for the cattle that were spotted, and of various forms,
so Christ served even to the cross, for men of every kind, of many and various
shapes, procuring them by his blood, and the mystery of the cross,” (Dialog.
cum Tryph, p. 364.).
o
“Do you think, O men, that we could ever have
been able to have understood these things in the Scriptures, unless by the will
of him that wills these things, we had received grace to understand them,”
(Dialog. cum Tryph. p. 346.).
·
Minutius Felix (170 CE)
o
“For what else is fate, but what God says of
every one of us? Who, since he can foreknow matter, even determines the fates
according to the merits and qualities of every one; so that not our nativity
(that is, as depending on the position of the stars) but our natural
disposition is punished.” (Min. Felix. Octav. p. 397. Ed. Elmenhorst. p. 39;
ed. Oxon).
·
Irenaeus (180 CE)
o
“God predetermining all things for the
perfection of man, and for the bringing about and manifestation of his
dispositions, that goodness may be shown, and righteousness perfected, and the
church be conformed to the image of his Son, and at length become a perfect
man, and by such things be made ripe to see God, and enjoy him,” (Irenaeus adv.
Haeres. 50:4, c. 72, p. 419.)
o
“God is not so poor and indigent as not to give
to everybody its own soul as its proper form. Hence, having completed the
number which he before determined with himself, all those who are written, or
ordained unto life, shall rise again, having their own bodies, souls, and
spirits, in which they pleased God; but those who are deserving of punishment
shall go into it, having also their own souls and bodies in which they departed
from the grace of God,” (L. 2, c. 62, inter Fragment. Graec. ad. calcem).
·
Clement of Alexandria (190 CE)
o
“According to the fitness which everyone has,
He, that is, God, distributes his benefits both to the Greeks and to the
Barbarians; and to them who are predestinated from among them, and are in his
own time called, faithful, and elect,” (Ibid. 50:7, p. 702, 703.).
o
He comments on Jeremiah 1:5, 7, (Do not say, I
am a child; before I formed thee in the belly, I knew thee, etc.,) by saying
this, “this prophecy intimates unto us, that those who before the foundation of
the world are known by God unto faith; THAT IS, ARE APPOINTED BY HIM TO FAITH,
are now babes, because of the will of God lately fulfilled, as we are new-born
unto vocation and salvation,” (Paedadog. 50:1, c. 7, p. 111.)
·
Origen (230 CE)
o
“Upon casting lots the inheritance is
distributed to the people of God, and the lot moved, not by chance, but
according to what is predestinated by God,” (In Josuam Homil. 23, fol. 173,
H.).
o
“…but by the goodness and love of God to man,
and through wondrous and divine grace, the knowledge of God comes to them who
were before comprehended in the foreknowledge of God; or, according to the
version of Gelenius, who to this were predestinated,” (Contra cells. 1. 7, p.
361, 362.).
o
“All these things look this way, that the
apostle may prove this; That if either Isaac or Jacob, for their merits, had
been chosen to those things which they, being in the flesh sought after, and,
by the works of the flesh, had deserved to be justified; then the grace of
their merit might belong to the posterity of flesh and blood also, but now,
since, their election does not arise from works, but from the purpose of God,
from the will of him that calleth,” (In Rom.l. 7, fol. 195, G.).
o
“We are they “upon whom the ends of the ages
have met, having ended their course.” We have been predestined by God, before
the world was, (to arise) in the extreme end of the times.”(On the apparel of
Women–Book II, Chapter 9)
·
Novatian (250 CE)
o
“For, says he,112 if he is said to be glorious
in predestination, and predestination was before the foundation of the world,
the order must be kept, and before him there will be, a large number of men
appointed to glory,” (Novotian, de Trinitate, c. 24, p. 755.).
·
Athanasius (350 CE)
o
“The apostle, says he, in the first place, gives
thanks to God for his piety, and signifies that faith in Christ was not a new
thing, all, but that this was from eternity prepared and promised by God,”
(Synops. Sacr. cript, vol. 3. p. 51.).
o
“Upon casting lots the inheritance is distributed
to the people of God, and the lot moved, not by chance, but according to what
is predestinated by God,” (In Josuam Homil. 23, fol. 173, H.).
o
“How therefore should he choose us before we
were, unless, as he has said, we were before delineated in him? how verily,
before men were created, should he predestinate us,” (Athanas. Contr. Arian.
Orat. 3, p. 245, 246, vol. i.)
And on and on and on. I could list hundreds of more passages
dealing with predestination, determination and other doctrines that we now
consider to be part of Augustinian and Reformed theology. Now, the Provisionist and others may want to nitpick some of these, but the point is that to claim that Augustine invented this doctrine whole cloth because of his prior life in Manicheism, is
just flat out false. There is a very robust tradition in the ECFs prior to him that was working with these very same ideas. And if this doctrine existed prior to this, it existed in
the Eastern Church, in the Western Church, in the 1st, 2nd,
and 3rd centuries prior to Augustine, then the parallel between a
gnostic concept of determinism (which is actually far more a kind of
materialistic fatalism rather than a divine determinism) and that of
Augustinianism and later Calvinism is a trivial parallel at best with no real
substantive impact or connection between the two.
As an aside, I find arguments from the early church to be
problematic in another sense as well – they are often super over-selected. What I mean by that is that we like finding
our view in the early church, but we also have no problem saying that the early
church got things wrong, was underdeveloped, was mired in countless problems dealing
with Platonism, and so forth. I’m curious if the Provisionist (almost
exclusively Southern Baptists) are going to start baptizing their babies and
believe in baptismal regeneration because those were almost the universal view
of the church for several centuries. I highly doubt it.
**end update**
What this does is the same kind of slippery word play and
absurd parellelomania that Jesus Mythicists play when they say that Jesus was a
solar messiah just like Horace, Osiris, Mythra, etc. Jesus didn’t have a
natural birth from a human father… but neither did Osiris, Mythra, Zoaraster,
and so forth… therefore… they all have virgin births and are the same kind of
solar messiah myths!!!!
Again, not even close. This equivocation flattens out
concepts, trumps up extremely vague and superficial similarities, and simply
intentionally and deceptively omits all the countless substantive conceptual,
historical, and Biblical differences between the concepts in order the axe
grind and ram through an absolutely absurd claim of parallel concepts.
Conclusion
Insofar as Provisionists continue to push through the “Calvinism
is semi-Gnosticism” kind of rhetoric (on top of the "Calvin murdered Servetus nonsense), then they should not be surprised when
serious minded and reasonable people, consider them to be ridiculous,
dishonest, and about as reputable as Jesus Mythicists.
If you want a better reputation outside of the Flowerpatch
echo chamber, then the solution is simple:
Make better arguments.
I think this is a good argument regarding SemiPelagianism. https://soteriology101.com/2018/10/08/dr-david-l-allen-what-semipelagianism-really-is/
ReplyDeleteI'm aware. He effectively redefines semi-Pelagianism to not be what anyone means or has meant by the term in order to exempt themselves from it. With that kind of lexical invention, anything is possible.
DeleteThe blatant corellation between Calvinism and Gnosticism is, that some of us have a hidden spark, and that just needs to be awaked within us and then we are the enlightened ones (elect). And Divine Determinism that all things are determined of nessecity by God and there is no genuine free will in the man made in God's image.
ReplyDeleteThe correlation has nothing to do with the Gnostic narrative, it's the doctrine of election "some of us have a hidden election in us" and divine determinism that all is fated and free will is a laughable thing people think they have.
Irenaous "Against Heresies" is a great place to see your semi Gnostic theology. Again not the narrative of Gnosticism but the doctrine of Gnosticism.
You run away from what is actually said and throw out a giant red hairing so people chase down a false argument. Its semi gonstic, and semi atheistic.
Thanks for simply "rambling." The name fits. You have said nothing to engage the actual content or the arguments made in the article. Simply asserting and reasserting, and then adding insults and personal attacks, is not going to be very convincing.
DeleteIt's also hard to not run away from such asinine "critiques" as the one you have said. It's not out of cowardice. It's simply because I have no desire to waste my time answering a fool according to his folly. If you cannot engage the actual content and do so reasonably with arguments and evidence and not just bald assertions and insults, then I absolutely and going to keep walking right on by. Mea culpa.
ROFL. Tyler thinks he can correct Dr. David Allen on semi-pelagianism. That is comedy gold right there.
ReplyDeleteHe did....and if that is all you have to say instead of engaging with what Tyler said. Sad and pathetic!!
DeleteThank you so much for this very helpful article. In my short time in Sot.101/Flowers I have seen all you have described and much worse. Ignorance lessens the blame in many, but the harsh reviling of Calvinists as well as Calvinism is indicative of their spiritual condition. One or two come across as a Christian ought, and it is a pleasure to engage with them. Seems pointless with the rest. And very concerning to see the mess of theology represented. Conversion without the gospel; conversion by God's grace, but depending on some innate quality of the sinner who will come, as opposed to the sinner who won't. Second chance for those who died without hearing the gospel. Annihilationism and Open Theism. ANYTHING as long as it upholds man's veto on God, and God doing all He can to stop the individual perishing.
ReplyDeleteActual scholars don't even debate that Augustine was heavily influenced by Gnosticism, it's not even a discussion point. So, it's quite humorous that you try to assert otherwise. Wherever you studied theology, philosophy and history - you need to go back and ask for your money back. Your lack of scholarship and research in your articles is embarrassing.
ReplyDeleteI'll leave you with this:Henry Chadwick, "A leading historian of the early church, Chadwick was appointed Regius Professor at both the universities of Oxford and Cambridge. He was a noted supporter of improved relations with the Catholic Church, and a leading member of the Anglican Roman-Catholic International Commission" says this about the early Christian response to Gnosticism: "For in rejecting the Gnostic way, the Christians thereby rejected as an inauthentic adulteration and corruption any theology or pure revelation teaching salvation by an arbitrary predestination of the elect and the total depravity of the lost" "Early Christian Thought and the Classical Tradition (Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1966), 9"
You appear to be so ignorant that you don't even realize that none of those ECFs held to unconditional election, and when they mentioned predestination, it was based on foreknowledge. Again, your lack of scholarship and research is embarrassing. The fact that you'd cite Irenaeus and many of the others is exceedingly funny, as many of them explicitly stated that to deny the free will of man is heresy.
ReplyDelete“In such determination to glory, Christ will be considered less than other men, because He is ranked after them in time. In fact, if this glory was in predestination, then Christ was the last to receive this predestination; for we see that Adam was predestined before Him, as were also Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, and the rest” (Novatian, On the Trinity, ch. 16).
DeleteIn the work Of the Discipline and Advantage of Chastity he also stated that “knowing that you are the temple of the Lord, the members of Christ, the habitation of the Holy Spirit, elected to hope, consecrated to faith, destined to salvation, sons of God” (Novatian, Of the Discipline and Advantage of Chastity, 2). I made a research if it really appeared in the writing of Novatian then I found out that it was really there, there is no Forgery on this writing.
It also shows that you're ignorant of ECF's doctrines.
ReplyDelete“Do not say: ‘This happened by chance’ and ‘that occurred accidentally’ Nothing is casual, nothing indeterminate, nothing happens at random, nothing among things that exist is caused by chance” (Basil of Caesarea, Homily 15, Homily on Psalm 32, 3, quoted in The Fathers of the Church A New Translation: Saint Basil Exegetical Homilies, [The Catholic University of America, Press, 1963], p. 232).
“And, since ‘Many are called, but few are chosen,’ he does not pronounce him blessed who is called, but him who is chosen. Blessed is he whom He chose. What is the cause of the pronouncement of blessedness? The expected inheritance of everlasting blessings. Or, does he, perhaps, according to the Apostle, since, when the full number of nations will have entered, then all Israel will be saved, first proclaim blessed, the full number of nations, then later, Israel, which is saved? Certainly, not just anyone will be saved, but only the remnant which is according to the election of grace. Therefore, he says: 'The people whom he hath chosen for his inheritance” (Basil of Caesarea, Homily 15, Homily on Psalm 32, 7 quoted in The Fathers of the Church A New Translation: Saint Basil Exegetical Homilies, [The Catholic University of America, Press, 1963], p. 241).
In Homily 13 which is a homily on Psalm 28 subtitled A Psalm of David at the Finishing of the Tabernacle Basil states: “For this reason also the Lord said: ‘And other sheep I have that are not of this fold.’ In saying that some from among the Gentiles were predestined for salvation, He shows His own court in addition to that of the Jews” (Basil of Caesarea, Homily 13, Homily on Psalm 28, 3 quoted in The Fathers of the Church A New Translation: Saint Basil Exegetical Homilies, [The Catholic University of America, Press, 1963], p. 198).
Earlier in the same homily Basil again notes God’s absolute control over everything when he says “His [God’s] providence penetrates even to the smallest things” (Basil of Caesarea, Homily 13, Homily on Psalm 28, 2 quoted in The Fathers of the Church A New Translation: Saint Basil Exegetical Homilies, [The Catholic University of America, Press, 1963], p. 196). Very clearly Basil is a lot closer to Reformation thought with his view of God’s sovereignty and Predestination.
I'll quote J. N. D KELLY Anglican Patristic Scholar, A principal of St. Edmund Hall Canon of Chichester patristic studies, he noted.
ReplyDelete“A man’s decision to become a Christian…has really been prepared in advance by God; and indeed every holy thought we have is God’s gift to us” (J. N . D Kelly, Early Christian Doctrines, [HarperOne, 1978], p. 356 see Ambrose, Exposition of Luke, 48).
Another quote from St. Ignatius a shorter version not from Larger version who had a Forgery.
ReplyDelete“Seeing, then, all things have an end, these two things are simultaneously set before us— death and life; and every one shall go unto his own place. For as there are two kinds of coins, the one of God, the other of the world, and each of these has its special character stamped upon it, [so is it also here.] The unbelieving are of this world; but the believing have, in love, the character of God the Father by Jesus Christ” (Ignatius, Letter to the Magnesians, ch. 5).
That here Ignatius is teaching that the saved are predestined is evidenced by the fact that he says that everyone shall go unto “his own ‘place’” (Gk. topos). This is very probably an allusion to Acts 1:25 (F. F. Bruce, The Book of the Acts, The New International Commentary On The New Testament, [Wm. B. Eerdmans Publishing, 1988], p. 47). In Acts 1:25 we read: “…this ministry and apostleship from which Judas turned aside to go to his own place [Gk. ton topon idion]” (Acts 1:25). That Acts 1:25, and by implication Ignatius, here has it so that Judas goes to his own place i.e., hell due to predestination, is evident upon a few considerations.
To establish Acts 1:25 teaches predestination it must be noted that to say Judas went to “his own place” is to say he went to the ultimate destination of his (I. Howard Marshall, Acts, ed. F. F. Bruce, The Tyndale New Testament Commentaries, [Wm. B. Eerdmans Publishing Co, 1980], p. 66).
This is monergistic
ReplyDelete“You rest the salvation of your souls on yourselves, and are assured that by your own exertions alone you become gods; but we, on the contrary hold out no hope to ourselves from our own weakness, for we see that our nature has no strength, and is overcome by its own passions in every strife for anything. You think that, as soon as you pass away, freed from the bonds of your fleshly members, you will find wings with which you may rise to heaven and soar to the stars. We shun such presumption and do not think that it is in our power to reach the abodes above” (Arnobius, Against the Heathen, Book II, 33).
He also stated “the Supreme God…knew that men are naturally blind, and cannot grasp the truth at all” (Arnobius, Against the Heathen, Book II, 60).
Thank you for this though I am sure this would be considered dated because of the book by Ken Wilson making the same accusations.
ReplyDeleteI keep looking and searching but have a real tough time in finding determinism in any Gnostic sect except maybe for astrology.
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