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Sunday, October 28, 2012

The Freed Thinker Podcast Episode 6.5 - Book Review part 5

On this episode of The Freed Thinker Podcast we continue the presentation of my book review of David McAfee's book Disproving Christianity and Other Secular writings. We discuss his chapter entitled Contradictions in Scripture and in Practice in which McAfee attempts to show contradictions in the Biblical texts. To no avail.

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Friday, October 19, 2012

The Freed Thinker Podcast Episode 6.4 - Review of Disproving Christianity by David McAfee, part 4

In today's episode we continue the review of David McAfee's book Disproving Christianity and Other Secular Writings by examining his chapter "Mainstream Theories of Disapproval."

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Thursday, October 18, 2012

The Freed Thinker Podcast has gone missing!

Wanted: Anyone with good tech support skills and knowledge of iTunes.

Ok seriously, the podcast has hit an unforseen glitch. It has stopped showing up on iTunes when it is searched for. The feed is still active and everyone can still upload new episodes if they have already subscribed or if they have the feed address, but it  cannot be found through the search function and I'm not sure why. I have contacted both iTunes and Podbean and neither were really helpful and basically told me to go talk to the other one.

Sooooo.... any recommendations on how to resolve this little issue?


Thursday, October 11, 2012

The Freed Thinker Episode 6.3 - Book Review of David McAfee's book Disproving Christianity and Other Secular Writings, episode 3

Yes it is an excellent week... TWO episodes this week! You all are so lucky. This episode we continue our review of David McAfee's book Disproving Christianity and Other Secular Writings, 2nd Edition and discuss his chapter "Morality verses Worship".

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The Freed Thinker Podcast Episode 6.2 - Book Review of "Disproving Christianity and Other Secular Writings part 2


In today’s episode we continue our presentation of my book review of David McAfee’s book Disproving Christianity and Other Secular Writings, 2nd Edition. We discuss his two chapters “Cultural Christianity” and “Christianity in America.”

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Friday, September 28, 2012

The Freed Thinker Podcast, Episode 6.1 - Book Review of David McAfee's book Disproving Christianity and Other Secular Writings, part 1


In this episode of The Freed Thinker Podcast I begin a series in which I present my book length book review of David McAfee’s book Disproving Christianity and Other Secular Writings, 2nd ed. This first episode contains the Introduction to the 2nd edition of the book review, the Introduction to the Book Review and the Preface.

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Thursday, September 27, 2012

A Response to Dan Barker



Recently I was listening to a debate between Dinesh D’Souza and Dan Barker on whether or not religion is the problem with the world. Barker made several comments that I wanted to respond to, not because they were profound or compelling to answer the main question of the debate, but because they so clearly epitomized the problem with many of the New Atheists and their acolytes. While listening to Barker’s comments I had somewhat of an epiphany. Like the person who finally sees the 3-D image within the autostereogram after staring at it for hours, I finally noticed something that had been right there in front of me all along. I know that I had stumbled over it in the past and possibly had even commented on it but for some reason it never stuck as a unified idea until now. To many of you this may just be old news but for me it was revelatory. So what was it?
It is that the New Atheists, at their core, can only imagine religion as paganism. The New Atheists who converted from Christianity to this particular expression of atheism with its overt scientism, disdain for religion and evangelical need to “convert” the heathen believer and bring them into the fold of the Brights, were only loosely Christian but were very much pagans in their beliefs.
I began asking a while back about what denominations the more vocal atheistic apostates had deconverted from. The answer was somewhat unanimous. It was almost always from very fundamentalistic, anti-intellectual, woodenly literal, far right wing extremist, legalistic and often pentecostal churches or denominations. I’m sure there are some out there who are the exception to the rule, but I actually never had someone say that they came from a mainline church or a reformed church. I am not saying that this is because those churches do not have their share of problems or that they never create atheists. But I was never given the PCA, PCUSA, OPC, or the Missouri Synod as a for instance.
While I was astute enough to know to ask about the kind of church that they deconverted from and I knew the theological and Biblical problems with such legalistic and fundamentalistic churchs, I still never seemed to put two and two together. That is, until I heard Dan Barker. In the debate with D’Souza, Barker made many problematic statements from the garden variety bald assertions with no substantive argument as support or the assumption of moral realism to historical errors about the history of science and religion, even to obvious philosophical errors regarding what he called the “dead horse” of the Ontological Argument (an argument having quite a field day since Plantinga’s revival of it). Yet two comments stood out to me the most because they shone the spot light on what Barker thinks Christianity is. The first has to do with why Christians do good deeds, and the other has to do with the self-righteousness of so called Christians.
Barker says, “Millions of good people in this planet, on this continent live happy, moral, productive, meaningful, purposeful lives without believing in this God. They do good things not because they’re afraid of hell or want to get into heaven, but because they care for humanity.”
Normally on a point like this I would go for the problem of trying to ground moral, meaning or purpose in a universe without God and that Barker equivocates between the existence of God and our subjective belief in God. However what surprised me was more that Barker seems to think that Christians only do good things out of fear of hell or a desire to go to heaven. That is, that Christians are only good out of self-interest. This is, however, not Christianity but Paganism. It is the belief that we only do good things to placate the fickle gods – to keep use from falling under their ire and to acquire rain for our crops. We do good deeds and avoid evil to earn blessing and avoid curses from the capricious divine.
Paul says in Romans 5:6-11:

For while we were still weak, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly. For one will scarcely die for a righteous person—though perhaps for a good person one would dare even to die— but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Since, therefore, we have now been justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God. 10 For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, now that we are reconciled, shall we be saved by his life. 11 More than that, we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.

Notice that Paul does not say that we earned our salvation by doing good things or that we avoid God’s wrath by avoiding evil. In fact, we are scarcely even mentioned in this passage outside of the fact that we are the utter recipient of everything Christ had done for us. It was while we are sinners that we are saved. It is because of the blood of Jesus that we avoid the wrath to come.
Paul says elsewhere in Ephesians 2:8-10, “For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.” Why do we do good works? It is patently not to earn our salvation. Paul expressly says that it is “not a result of works, so that no one may boast.” I wonder if Barker ever preached on this during his tenure as a pastor. How did he preach it to his congregation? Did he tell them that they must work very, very hard to avoid hell and earn heaven?
This leads us then to the second statement that Barker made. He said,

The Bible… is not a book that any self respecting individual should dare to be seen carrying under their arm. And I used to preach that…an in-group of the “true believers” vs. those that are outside. Those of you who are true believers probably feel that don’t you? When you’re in your church or your congregation you feel this specialness don’t you? This warmth? You know loving each other, but there are the outsiders out there, there’s those secular humanists, ooooooo. They’re threatening our country, and you have this feeling that we are called and special in some way and we have a truth and I used to preach that and I used to feel that.

Paganism through and through. If that is the kind of religion that Barker is objecting to, the kind of self-righteous, judgmental, us vs. them religion, then Barker is not alone. Jesus’ only condemning remarks were not toward the prostitutes, the tax collectors – the group classically defined as “the sinners.” His scorn was directed toward the self-righteousness of the religious elites, the ones who saw the sinners as the untouchables, who would walk on the other side of the street to avoid contact with them, who thought that they had it all figured out and had kept the whole law and that that somehow made them better, more righteous, or more worthy of God.
Yet this is what Barker admits he used to preach. This is what he used to feel - superior because of his “righteousness.” He thought that being called by God meant that he was better. That it divides humanity between the superior and inferior. I can imagine the kind of church he built. Fundamentalistic based on a wooden literal reading of the Bible, chalk full of self-righteous “believers” who would scoff when a “real” sinner walked through those doors. Sure they would sing hymns and shed big crocodile tears about how they got angry at someone at work and plead for God to forgive them. But see a prostitute, or a heavily addicted drug addict, or a “secular humanist” haunt the church sanctuary and it would be all leers for the rest of the service; people muttering “what is he doing here. Doesn’t he know that this is a church?”
The great irony of this is that, as the old cliché goes, the church is not to be a resort for the saved but a hospital for the sinners! If you are at a church where sinners are not welcomed and God is not praised for bringing them to hear about how Jesus loves them regardless of their past and that no sin is so grotesque as to make them “unworthy” to believe and be saved, then you are at a pagan church – your church is showing you how to placate the angry sky deity and work to earn its favor.
It seems that the New Atheists are railing against paganism. And should it surprise us? The Bible resoundingly rejects paganism as well. It denies works based salvation. It condemns self-righteousness along with murder and theft. Do Barker and his ilk realize that he is not rejecting Christ but Zeus? Not Christianity but Zoroastrianism?

Friday, August 10, 2012

Sabbatical

I just wanted to write a quick post to apologize for what has become quite a lengthy absence from either writing new posts or putting out new episodes of The Freed Thinker Podcast. Work, life and writing a book have somewhat consumed my time as of late. As soon as I finish with the book project in September I will be back in the swing of things with the blog and podcast. So stay tuned for more to come!

Friday, June 8, 2012

The Freed Thinker Podcast - Special Edition


In this episode of The Freed Thinker Podcast, we take a break from our examination of the Kalam Cosmological Argument to spend some time talking to one of my all time favorite skeptics, Nicholas Bruzzese, host of The Skeptics Testament Podcast.

The discussion ranges from Biblical illiteracy, the historical critical method, scientism, and a whole host of other interesting topics.

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Monday, April 30, 2012

Malachi 3:10 - Do we give to have our storehouses filled?



Bring the full tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. And thereby put me to the test, says the Lord of hosts, if I will not open the windows of heaven for you and pour down for you a blessing until there is no more need.” – Malachi 3:10

How many times have you heard Malachi 3:10 trotted out in a sermon or a Bible study or from a friend to tell us that if we tithe, God will reward our sacrifice with abundance? We are told that this is a promise to us from God, that if we are willing to sacrificially give to God that God will open up the windows of heaven and bless our storehouses to overflowing! We are told that this verse is unusual in that it is the only place where we are commanded to actually put God to the test and that in all other contexts putting God to the test is explicitly a very bad idea, to say the least. The fact that this verse is the only one of its kind is often used as an indicator of emphasis – that God really really wants us to try this test so that God can bless us and make us prosper.

So we are told…

In this brief article I want to show why this reading of Malachi 3:10 seems to me not only exegetically impossible, but possibly even downright selfish and sinful as it tramples on the goodness of God to his whole people and sees God as a cosmic vending machine – put in your tithe, press the button and get the prize of a full personal bank account.

We primarily should notice the context of this passage.  Malachi is written to a people returning to the land of Israel after the exile. They are apparently suffering doubts about God and his covenant faithfulness. They are looking around and seeing the sinful and wicked prospering and the righteous suffering. They doubt whether God actually cares about what they do, what the priests do, and if he will ever intervene and stop the oppression of his people. The priests have become sinful, selfish and wholly unconcerned with the covenant relationship that they have with God as Levites and only obey in so far as they have to in order to keep the appearance of religious devotion.

Over and over leading up to this passage God challenges the people and priests that they have been unfaithful to God and have been lackadaisical in their keeping of the law. Priests have offered sacrifices that were blemished while keeping their unblemished and valued animals to themselves, even after publicly vowing them to God. We see that they offer sacrifices that were gained through deception, violence, and theft. They have oppressed the people they were meant to serve and make a mockery of God’s alter. They commit adultery on their wives and marry women devoted to pagan deities and yet still offer sacrifices to God but complain when they are not blessed for their tithes. It is this lackluster kind of superficial piety that God condemns repeatedly in Malachi. God pronounces judgment and says that at this time he accepts no sacrifices in Israel where his great name has become disdained and the people no longer revere God or his law and only half heartedly give out of some religious sentiment of duty.

So when we reach this passage in Malachi 3, we have come to a place where the only reaction left from the people is “How shall we return?” (Mal. 3:7) or to be more explicit, “how can God’s people return to God’s favor?”

This is where our verse comes in. God does not say “repent and believe” as we would expect him to (though undoubtedly this should take place.) God says,

Will man rob God? Yet you are robbing me. But you say, ‘How have we robbed you?’ In your tithes and contributions. You are cursed with a curse, for you are robbing me, the whole nation of you. Bring the full tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. And thereby put me to the test, says the Lord of hosts, if I will not open the windows of heaven for you and pour down for you a blessing until there is no more need.

Before God’s people can return to God’s favor, they have to stop actively robbing from him! They have to give him what is due to him and see that all of the world is God’s storehouse and that what they withhold in their tithes are already God’s possession and in keeping it for themselves, they are robbing from God. Not only are they robbing from God but they are keeping God’s wealth out of God’s house (the storehouse was a reference to the temple where the offerings were kept and dispersed as needed) where God actively blessed his people, fedthe poor, and protected the orphans, the widows and the downcast.  

Thus it is in this context that we find the commonly abused verse in question and can now see its actual meaning. This verse is not saying that if we trust God in our tithes that God will fill our bank accounts. It is not saying that the bigger check we write to some ministry the more God will bless us with personal wealth to buy nice homes, new cars, or the latest and greatest toys.

This passage is telling us that we are robbers of the house of God when we even talk about it as if it is “our” wealth in the first place. That we are robbing from God when we withhold God’s own money to disperse from the temple of God to take care of the poor, the downcast, and the oppressed. This is not a promise about what God will do for us if we tithe and is in fact a direct rebuttal against that very kind of selfish outlook on finances. If we look at this verse as telling us to test God with our finances so that we will see how much he blesses us, we have committed the exact sin of those priests who gave their second best because they thought it would keep God on their side and that he might personally bless them for it.

No, we do not give in order to get. We give because it is not ours in the first place. We give because this passage does not promise that God will fill our own storehouses, but will fill the storehouse of the kingdom so that in the end there will be “no more need.” God was telling Israel to give according to what God had given to them, so that in all of Israel no one would be need. The temple could operate and do its job to feed and clothe the needy and protect God’s people from oppression like it was designed to do under the law.

Earlier in Malachi, the Lord gives this condemnation: “For the lips of a priest should guard knowledge, and people should seek instruction from his mouth, for he is the messenger of the Lord of hosts. But you have turned aside from the way. You have caused many to stumble by your instruction,” (Malachi 2:7-8a).

The next time you hear some overzealous preacher or pastor or Bible study try and tell you that this is a promise of God to you, that if you trust God with your finances that God will bless your pocket book, do not be fooled. Do not be the one to stumble on that instruction. Give because it is God’s. Give because you want to see the poor fed and clothed, the oppressed protected, and the orphans cared for. Give not to have your own storehouse filled, but to see the storehouses of the kingdom filled so that the church can do what it was called to do. And pray that the leaders of the church are not like the priests of Malachi’s day…